Installing an Auxiliary input on a Stereo (updated!)


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Goal

Almost everyone has an old boombox, tape player or old car stereo lying around. As CD and tapes became obsolete, this equipment (even the high quality pieces) has been collecting dust. The salvation for this devices is an auxiliary or “phono” input, where a RCA-to-Stereo cable can be connected. For equipment that doesn’t have this capability, an auxiliary input can be easily implemented.

This project requires basic electronics knowledge. If you don’t have practice with electronics, ask a friend with experience to help you.

Required Materials

  1. Old Stereo, car cassette deck, or car cd player.
  2. iPod, mp3 player or whatever source you use to listen music.
  3. Stereo cable with 3.5 mm plug
  4. Double Gang potentiometer (on some cases you can scrap it from the same stereo).
  5. Two ceramic capacitors, start with 0.1 uF
  6. Soldering Iron, screwdrivers, etc.

Procedure

My example device is this Sony boombox. I like it because sound quality is decent, construction quality is greater than average (It was made in Japan) and can operate with batteries, which is a very nice feature for camping or pool parties.

First unplug the device and take the cover off.

This is how the main board looks.

On devices designed to operate with 110/220 VAC you will see a separate circuit board that steps down and rectify the voltage coming from the wall. Ir’s very easy to spot due the big transformer. We don’t need to touch it.

Ok, let’s take a quick look to the theory. The signal generated by either the Radio Tuner or Tape player is sent through a volume and tone control. Then the signal reaches a Power Amplifier that (as the name suggest) amplifies, “boosts” or “magnifies” the signal enough to make a speaker vibrate and produce sound.

We will inject the signal coming from our mp3 player directly on the amplifier input, and disable the other parts of the system. We will also include a new volume control.

On the original Engallamientos’ post I have maintained the Radio and other original functions – the mp3 player just overpowered them when connected. This scheme worked well on some systems, but in other cases the impedance mismatch burned the mp3 player. I prefer to avoid you any risk and opt for the safe path.

Finding the amplifier

We need to locate the amplifier chip. It’s easy to spot because it’s (normally) under a metal heat sink. Each chip is labelled with a code. Click on any picture to enlarge.

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Getting the amplifier Datasheet

Google the code printed on the chip to make sure about its identity. We are looking for the “amplifier” or “power amplifier”, not ”pre-amplifier”.

Don’t forget to put word “datasheet” after the name. A datasheet is a document that describes all the functions and usage of an electronic component.

Once you located the datasheet, take note of each pin number and its function. Some old datasheets are harder to understand, like the following  (TA7282)

Newer datasheets are far cleaner and self-explanatory for the beginner. The following example belongs to a modern integrated circuit.


Determining the necessary pins

Using the information from your datasheet, locate the required pins on the amplifier circuit board. The following pins are required for our project:

  • [NON INVERTING INPUT A] (corresponds to the left channel input)
  • [NON INVERTING INPUT B] (corresponds to the right channel input)
  • [GROUND]

At the same time please be careful with the following pins, do not connect anything to them or your music player will be damaged.

  •  [V+]
  • [V-]
  • [OUTPUT A]
  • [OUTPUT B]

Coupling the new Signal

Now take your stereo cable with 3.5 mm plug and peel the end exposing the wires. You will find tree smaller wires, they correspond to the left channel, right channel, and ground.

 

They will be soldered on their corresponding amplifier pins. But wait! don’t forget the coupling capacitors.

Don’t forget the coupling capacitors!

Solder a small value ceramic disc capacitor (like 0.1 uF or 0.22 uF) between the signal cable coming from the music player and the amplifier input. Repeat the same on the other channel.

If this sounds confusing don’t worry, on the following picture the step is explained graphically.

explicacion_coupling

After soldering the respective cable on its amplifier input pin, notice that the pin is connected to the other components on the circuit board via printed tracks. We need to scrap both the right and the left channel tracks.

Do not scratch the track going to the Ground Pin. Without it the unit will not work.

explicacion_tracks

 

You can scratch the track using an x-acto knife or box cutter

The volume Control

The volume control it’s very easy to implement, you only need a dual gang potentiometer. Note that the following drawings are the same circuit. The first drawing shows how the right channel is wired to the “top” potentiometer, and the second drawing shows the left channel and the “bottom” potentiometer.

explicacion_control_volumen

Testing and finishing

This is how the whole circuit looks. Hell yeah!

If everything works as desired (I’m sure it will do!) install the new potentiometer and any cosmetic features.

13/08/2012 errata

I (incorrectly) stated that connecting the input signal to the tape player head was a good alternate method. Is not. Sound volume will be hard to control, requires an isolation transformer, cassette deck switches must be bypassed, and overall results may be frustrating.

Below is a picture of a car stereo where I employed the tape deck method.

The switch on the top is to “simulate” the presence of a cassette on the deck. An air fan was also installed.

As I said, using an isolation transformer (sold in stores as “noise suppressor”) will be necessary.

Spare you the annoyances, the main method is better.

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38 Responses to “Installing an Auxiliary input on a Stereo (updated!)”

  • Ben Griffin

    Would you have any advice for attempting this on a car radio cassette player (circa 1985)?

    I have disassembled it and found that its amplifier chip as a NEC uPC1185H2. I can not find any normal datasheets for it, only a rough schematic:

    http://www.electronica.ro/audio/images/uPC1185H2.gif

    It looks like the noninverting inputs are connected to Vcc (which doesnt seem correct to me).

    I also found another schematic which has different information:

    http://english.electronica-pt.com/db/audio-ic.php?ref=1185

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Hello Ben!

      I had more look googling by the term “uPC1185H2″

      According to this diagram http://www.electronica.ro/audio/uPC1185H2.shtml your input pins are 5 and 7 for left and right channel respectively.

      Ground would be Pin 12

      I recommend you to use a ceramic capacitor between each music player channel and its respective amplifier input, but I’m not sure about the value, some experimenting will be needed.

      Here is a picture of your amplifier http://www.kpcomponents.ca/images/UPC1185H2.jpg to make sure we are talking about the same one

      If you have more questions I’ll be glad to help!

      PS: The inputs are not connected to Vcc, is just the square delimiting the amplifier package

  • Freek

    Hi felipe,

    From an old sony radio I would like to make a mp3 speaker, and I’ve got a question.
    Is it already clear what kind of capacitor is needed between de mp3-player and the amplifier? I really have no idea where to start searching and what value is needed.. the amplifier is a TA8207K from toshiba.
    Should the capacitor be placed Mp3player-Capacitor-volumecontrol-amplifier or after the volume control?

    Thanks a lot!

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Hello Freek!

      I’m sorry, I’m not sure about the value because I found it via trial and error. A .1 uF may work, you can identify it by its label “104″. A 103 OR 102 may also work, listen to the sound.

      Remember that two identical capacitors are required, each one for a channel.

      The capacitor is installed just before the amplifier input pin, as physically close as you can.

  • The Dude

    So I’ve been thinking about doing something like this to my 1990 accord with a factory tape deck.I’m pretty cheap and kind of nerdy. I would love to see a write up on how to use the tape inputs and use a switch to do that part of it instead of using a blank tape.

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Sorry, that was an awful errata! Is corrected by now.

      I don’t recommend using the tape inputs. I have used that method on the past but it requires isolation transformers and tweaking. Give the method I described a try.

  • The Dude

    The method you desribed, is there a way to retain the radio and tape function? Step 4.1 shows that we don’t.

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Very good question TheDude, Yes, indeed. Use a small Double pole, single throw switch.

      http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/images/products/display/sk4304.1.jpg

      http://www.coprolite.com/copimages/atswitch.png

      In that way you can reconnect the broken tracks created after step 4.1 when the iPod is not in use.

      • The Dude

        Felipe thanks so much for your help and…. input(bahahah). What do you think about using a double pole duoble throw switch so the device would be either on the aux function(that we are wiring in) or factory function? That way there would be no chance of feed back causing problems, you know as a safety measure, especialy if somebody else uses the car. I have also toyed with the idea of using small ( not really sure how small) diodes and turning the factory volume all the way down to kill signal from the factory unit and using the secondary volume(double gang potentiometer) for the aux jack as already disscussed. Do you think the forward bias required to get things moving through the diodes would effect sound control or quality in a negative manner? Any way,still
        need get the device out of the car. BTW I love this website. The home made laptop is probably one of the most ingenis things I have seen in a while.

      • Felipe La Rotta

        Hahaha good Pun TheDude

        Your Double Pole Double Throw suggestion is actually a much better idea, because the naked 3.5 mm plug may touch a bare metallic surface inside the car (never though about that!). I will correct the guide.

        I understand your idea with the diodes (analogically to a water check valve) but unfortunately it cannot be done. Audio signals are alternating current (that’s why the speakers pop outwards and inwards while playing music) and rectifying them will “destroy” the information that is converted into sound. Keep also in mind that feeding D.C. to the audio circuit or speakers may burn them.

        As you already know the volume control works by simply shorting (in more or less degree) the audio signal to the ground. Unfortunately some knob settings may also create a low impedance path to the eyes of the mp3 player, burning it. In conclusion, although I made a couple of units where the original circuits where left untouched (and the mp3 player just overpowered them, like a charm), today I prefer to physically separate them after the bad experience.

        Hey, thank you very much by your comments! Since I started writing very few people actually asked for advice or gave feedback, and I was somewhat demotivated by that. I’m very glad I served you with my limited knowledge.

        Good luck man!

  • Anonymous

    Great website Felipe! I was trying to do this on my own when I came across your site and it gave me some good insites.

    I am trying to modify a Pioneer DEH-1300 CD/AM/FM player in my boat to accept my droid phone output. I would like to use the rear speakers which means I have to inject my input to the input side of the preamp which controls the fader controls for the rear speakers. I was going to use the radio left channel and right channel output lines as my injection point but saw your notes on needing an isolation transformer for a CD injection point and thought it would be similar for the radio output lines. I have access to an oscilloscope and was thinking I would use the dual gange potentiometers to match levels but wondered what the isolation transformer was needed for.

    I was also going to use a jack that will disconnect the radio lines when I plug in my phone so as to keep the radio functionality.

    Thank you!

  • tom

    accidentally sent this off without filling in my personal info so here it is

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Hello Tom!

      I’m sorry if I took a lot of time answering, I didn’t worked on the blog for a while. Maybe you already have completed your modification, but if you don’t here’s the answer.

      The isolation transformer is used to match the impedance between the cassete player circuit and your music player. The method is not very predicatble, and you may accidentally overpower the cassette player circuitry causing distorted bass and awful sound quality.

      In the other hand, injecting the signal on the amplifier pins is easier, Care must be taken to avoid overloading the music player with the stereo volume / tone control circuitity. It would be better to leave the rear speaker amplifier pins isolated from the rest of the circuit, and connecting them to the music player as described.

      Again, excuse me for taking so long. If I can help you in any way please let me know

  • JC

    Great helpful post, I did it on an old stereo some years back for use with a Line 6 Pocket Pod guitar effex unit!
    Sounds great.

  • Rich

    Would this still work if I stripped everything except for the main circuit board and the transformer? I would like to get rid of the cd player and tape deck, and make a little box to just house the bare minimum components so that I can hook up the speakers to my computer. Thanks!

  • Rich

    There’s already the 120 coming into the transformer. I’m messing around with a stereo very similar to the one in your tutorial–the amplifier chip has the heat sink on it already like in yours. The thing is, I will never use the tape player or the cd player again, so I will like to get rid of them completely. I was able to locate the input pins on the circuit board, and things are going pretty good. One thing I am really unsure of is whether or not it will mess things up if I pull off the circuit board that the cd player controls, input buttons, volume, etc. go to. I’m thinking it would be ok since I’m by passing the old input anyway. Thanks.

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Oh, I’m sorry, for some reason I thought you were working with a car stereo, my bad. I’m 99% sure that there is no problem removing the cd player and the tape deck. However be careful when removing components, try it with each one at a time until all of them are gone. Some amplifiers have something called “Mute” or “Standby” function and the missing circuitiry may be required to take the amplifier out of that state.

  • Tracor

    Thanks for this post. This is what I am trying to do as I am not an electronics guy.
    Sony CFD-S28, trying to disconnect the audio left and right of the CD player. I was able to find the ones for the tape deck, but the ones from the CD player I’m only getting a ribbons. I guess I could simply use the tape deck left and right and then solder to headphone speakers, but that means I loose the tape deck and I much rather not. The CD player can go as I don’t need it.
    Again, I am not an electronics guy and finding someone who is has proven difficult. I should have taken a shop class in high school! :( Anyways, you tube is great. There is even a kid that did this and others as well, but it seems that the CD player in their unit is just a regular wire that looks like my tape deck wire.
    Any thoughts might help if you have time. I even contacted a local electronic shop and they said they had no idea how to do it and it was difficult. What I was trying to do was not easy according to them.

    Thanks again

    Tracor

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Hello Tracor

      I suggest you to take another look to the post. Messing with the tape deck is very problematic, never tried the CD player lines THO. Why you don’t try the amplifier approach that is described?

      • Tracor

        Hello
        I took a closer look at your approach. It does make more sense. Questions that I have are:
        1. The only amplifier chip I found was in the pre-amp –
        TA2068N http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheets_pdf/T/A/2/0/TA2068N.shtml

        I am confused since as you said it needed to be in the amplifier and not the pre-amp? From the diagram, if it’s the correct diagram, are you able to locate the pins for the right/left/ground inputs?
        Thanks again!

      • Felipe La Rotta

        Don’t worry, I’ll do my best to guide you!

        Yes, indeed, the chip that you found is not the one we need. The power amplifier may be hidden under a piece of metal, don’t give up until you find it.

        Tell me as soon as you find it

      • Anonymous

        I think I found the chip, however it is inside a metal casing that if I try to remove will just destroy the circuit board. I will try to email you some pictures…

      • tracor

        Do you have an email address where I can email you the pictures and the the datasheet manual I found online? Or is there a way to post pictures on this blog?
        Thank you…

      • Felipe La Rotta

        Hello Tracor! Unfortunately there is no way to upload pictures, please use http://tinypic.com/ and put the links here

      • Felipe La Rotta

        Haha you will never believe it! but I have exactly the same model of boombox, if you see my post “fixing a hard to read LCD display” you will see it. I’ve used a different method for this unit because that damn heat sink was too hard to remove. If you give me a day or two I can take apart my boombox and tell you exactly here you need to connect everything.
        You can fill the e-mail field on the comment section, so I can find you on FB

    • pyleck

      Hi,
      an other way doing thing.
      for the Sony CFD-S28, just add a 5-contact 3.5mm jack between the CNP2-7P (Tuner board) and KH303-7P (Main board) and here you go. Everything else (volume, tone, switches control circuits….) remain unchanged.

      See pics linked :
      http://tinypic.com/r/2rwq6p3/5 or http://i40.tinypic.com/2rwq6p3.jpg

      have fun

      • Felipe La Rotta

        Exactly Pyleck!! that was exactly what I did!! I also attached a switch to the radio board power line, to shut it down while the aux input was being used, but from your schematic I guess that step was completely unnecessary. I’m so sorry Christian, the university didn’t gave me time to take the pictures as I promised. Pyleck explanation is good enough, but I will take the pictures of the finished thing tomorrow to make it more clear. Thank you very much by your comment Pyleck!

  • Anonymous

    Do you have a way I can email you the pictures?

  • Anonymous

    hi i have ben trying the same with a car casete unit i foun a chip where tape in1 and tapein 2 pins i atachtd ground to one and right to the other
    but my car plays only with back speakers when i change sound to driver it plays front speaker
    Can any sombady help me please

    • Felipe La Rotta

      Hello! You must connect the IN 1 pin to one channel of your music player, and IN 2 pin to the other channel. The ground pin indicated on the datasheet goes to the ground of your music player plug. Don’t forget the coupling capacitor as mentioned on the post. Can you provide the chip name or a link to the datasheet?

  • Jonathan

    Hello! I got to the part about finding the right pins on the data sheet, and the particular power amp I have has an incredibly cryptic data sheet. Here is the link to it:
    http://datasheet.octopart.com/LA4597-Sanyo-datasheet-102419.pdf
    Any help with reading this data sheet to find the right pins to connect would be vastly appreciated! Thanks.
    PS I just want to know what pins are ground, and non inverted left and right.

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